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RotherhamRam, on 02 May 2012 - 07:31 PM, said:

Is this Mick Macarthy who was at Wolves who got the sack because his team was crap this year. Maybe if they could actually do it in training then they might be able to perform on a Saturday and he would still have his job.....just a thought

Paul McGrath.

They werent crap all year but did go on a shocking run. What a mess wolves made of that one. They would surely had a better chance with Macarthy in charge, the manager who brought them all their success. I thought we were trying to copy the Wolves model, im sure Glick or Clough mentioned it. Not now clearly though

[Leeds Ram]

Duracell, on 01 May 2012 - 10:18 PM, said:

You either have one philosophy or the other. When you have players like Kinkladze - or, rather, when you can afford players like Kinkladze, then perhaps that's somewhat of a luxury.

But when we have a bottom 6 budget, you can't get top 6 with signing passengers. Everyone has to work their socks off, and if you don't, you're outta here. When Clough started out, we had players who were only interested in collecting their pay cheque at the end of the month. Now we have players who would run themselves in to the ground for the club.

Why sacrifice that for one Scottish bloke who cost £400k and has looked ok in a crap Portsmouth side for a few months?

Perhaps short-term it's fine to whack the best players on paper on to the pitch, but if we're serious about getting rid of this sick, losing culture at this club - which has only been dispelled by Burley and Davies for one season each since the turn of the millenium - then I think it's alright for the first team to be concentrating on work for now, and add the quality from the Academy.

Whilst I agree in principal, maybe if we didn’t spend 300k on a forward who cant even control a ball, we wouldn’t need to waste so much energy on the pitch trying to get the ball back.

Then maybe we could afford to accommodate the luxury players that give you that bit of extra skill and guile to move onto the next level.

[Inverurie Ram]

Chris Maguire ain't going to tire. He'll score the odd great goal and might get away with living off it for a while. He's young and his so called attitude, I've never met the guy, so haven't a clue what he's like may change and may not, and that's why he's at Pompey and with a team relegated and not currently in our first team squad.

Where as Bryson has just cleaned up winning all the club awards. If Chris Maguire realises that work ethic and what you do off the pitch during the week will always effect how you perform on a match day, as your true character comes out and your team mates and club mates, we are all part of one team will react and get along with you accordingly and that's when Chris Maguire will be a success at Derby County Football Club.

Chris Maguire can train and prepare himself accordingly to Derby County Football Clubs ethics and values, he's not in the same position as Paul McGrath who the club thought, it was best for both parties that he just turned up and played on match days. Unfortunately some of the kids today think they have to do very little to earn a lot.

I think Nigel Clough who's not on the big massive management wage is right not to condone players who think they only have to put a little in, but are prepared to take a lot out of the club. We'd be better off buying a midfielder with some physical aggression that could take control of the team, that is prepared to work hard for his wages and represent the club in all the right ways. I also think Nigel is doing the right thing, it's up to Chris Maguire to proove himself and work hard for the shirt, not the shirt working hard for him.

[Boycie]

Inverurie Ram, on 03 May 2012 - 11:35 AM, said:

Chris Maguire ain't going to tire. He'll score the odd great goal and might get away with living off it for a while. He's young and his so called attitude, I've never met the guy, so haven't a clue what he's like may change and may not, and that's why he's at Pompey and with a team relegated and not currently in our first team squad.

Where as Bryson has just cleaned up winning all the club awards. If Chris Maguire realises that work ethic and what you do off the pitch during the week will always effect how you perform on a match day, as your true character comes out and your team mates and club mates, we are all part of one team will react and get along with you accordingly and that's when Chris Maguire will be a success at Derby County Football Club.

Chris Maguire can train and prepare himself accordingly to Derby County Football Clubs ethics and values, he's not in the same position as Paul McGrath who the club thought, it was best for both parties that he just turned up and played on match days. Unfortunately some of the kids today think they have to do very little to earn a lot.

I think Nigel Clough who's not on the big massive management wage is right not to condone players who think they only have to put a little in, but are prepared to take a lot out of the club. We'd be better off buying a midfielder with some physical aggression that could take control of the team, that is prepared to work hard for his wages and represent the club in all the right ways. I also think Nigel is doing the right thing, it's up to Chris Maguire to proove himself and work hard for the shirt, not the shirt working hard for him.

owwH I just banged my head on the screen.

[Martyn]

Inverurie Ram, on 03 May 2012 - 11:35 AM, said:

Chris Maguire ain't going to tire. He'll score the odd great goal and might get away with living off it for a while. He's young and his so called attitude, I've never met the guy, so haven't a clue what he's like may change and may not, and that's why he's at Pompey and with a team relegated and not currently in our first team squad.

Where as Bryson has just cleaned up winning all the club awards. If Chris Maguire realises that work ethic and what you do off the pitch during the week will always effect how you perform on a match day, as your true character comes out and your team mates and club mates, we are all part of one team will react and get along with you accordingly and that's when Chris Maguire will be a success at Derby County Football Club.

Chris Maguire can train and prepare himself accordingly to Derby County Football Clubs ethics and values, he's not in the same position as Paul McGrath who the club thought, it was best for both parties that he just turned up and played on match days. Unfortunately some of the kids today think they have to do very little to earn a lot.

I think Nigel Clough who's not on the big massive management wage is right not to condone players who think they only have to put a little in, but are prepared to take a lot out of the club. We'd be better off buying a midfielder with some physical aggression that could take control of the team, that is prepared to work hard for his wages and represent the club in all the right ways. I also think Nigel is doing the right thing, it's up to Chris Maguire to proove himself and work hard for the shirt, not the shirt working hard for him.

Well said Nigel!

[Duracell]

Leeds Ram, on 03 May 2012 - 11:22 AM, said:

Whilst I agree in principal, maybe if we didn’t spend 300k on a forward who cant even control a ball, we wouldn’t need to waste so much energy on the pitch trying to get the ball back.

Then maybe we could afford to accommodate the luxury players that give you that bit of extra skill and guile to move onto the next level.

We have to take gambles, some won't work out, just like Maguire probably won't.

I think the idea is that the best way to get flair and luxury players is through the academy.

Some people spout stuff about Clough desiring dull, functional football, but I disagree. We're trying to establish something here and the initial by-product of that is some pretty simple football.

But take a look at Will Hughes and Mason Bennett - they are Clough players, in every sense of the word. They're coming through our "conveyer" belt, they work hard, and they're from the local area. But you're not telling me, especially from what I've seen of them, that they're functional, dull players.

[Leeds Ram]

Duracell, on 03 May 2012 - 02:47 PM, said:

We have to take gambles, some won't work out, just like Maguire probably won't.

I think the idea is that the best way to get flair and luxury players is through the academy.

Some people spout stuff about Clough desiring dull, functional football, but I disagree. We're trying to establish something here and the initial by-product of that is some pretty simple football.

But take a look at Will Hughes and Mason Bennett - they are Clough players, in every sense of the word. They're coming through our "conveyer" belt, they work hard, and they're from the local area. But you're not telling me, especially from what I've seen of them, that they're functional, dull players.

I have not seen enough of either Bennett or Hughes to make a judgement, but what happens if Bennett becomes a Matt le Tisser player, hates training, doesnt track back but has the skill to win matches on his own, does he get dropped/shipped out because he dont run 8.9km per game ?

I dont buy into Clough not liking flair players, but I also dont buy into Maguire being shipped out because he doesnt do it in training, have they fallen out ? dont know and dont care, but was is obvious is that we can ill afford to chuck half a million away each transfer window on players that play less than 5 games a season.

[Marilyn]

Leeds Ram, on 03 May 2012 - 11:22 AM, said:

Whilst I agree in principal, maybe if we didn’t spend 300k on a forward who cant even control a ball, we wouldn’t need to waste so much energy on the pitch trying to get the ball back.

Then maybe we could afford to accommodate the luxury players that give you that bit of extra skill and guile to move onto the next level.

You could also argue Leeds that that £300k was well spent considering the goals to game ratio.

[curtains]

Hughes vs Maguire. Come on the comparison is ridiculous.

[McRamFan]

I think we may keep him.

[ESR]

He might not pull his weight in training, or he might have a bit of an attitude but why can't Clough take him to one side and give him some encouragement? It always sounds like he drops them without a reason, maybe if he tried talking to the players to try and get them working harder they might actually improve their attitude/work ethic.
If any of you were demoted at work for no reason maybe you would have a 'don't give a **** attitude'?
I hope Maguire gets his chance this year, he had looked alright in a demoralised Pompey team, plus having competition up front is always a bonus

[11carl00]

 ESR, on 05 May 2012 - 08:37 AM, said:

He might not pull his weight in training, or he might have a bit of an attitude but why can't Clough take him to one side and give him some encouragement? It always sounds like he drops them without a reason, maybe if he tried talking to the players to try and get them working harder they might actually improve their attitude/work ethic.
If any of you were demoted at work for no reason maybe you would have a 'don't give a **** attitude'?
I hope Maguire gets his chance this year, he had looked alright in a demoralised Pompey team, plus having competition up front is always a bonus

I'm pretty sure Nige tells them why they arent playing. Just because the reason doesn't come out in public doesn't mean there isn't a reason.

[bcnram]

ESR, on 05 May 2012 - 08:37 AM, said:

He might not pull his weight in training, or he might have a bit of an attitude but why can't Clough take him to one side and give him some encouragement? It always sounds like he drops them without a reason, maybe if he tried talking to the players to try and get them working harder they might actually improve their attitude/work ethic.
If any of you were demoted at work for no reason maybe you would have a 'don't give a **** attitude'?
I hope Maguire gets his chance this year, he had looked alright in a demoralised Pompey team, plus having competition up front is always a bonus

I just guess that Mr.Clough has been way too busy to call you and explain exactly what he does with individual players at Moor Farm.

[uttoxram75]

bcnram, on 05 May 2012 - 01:18 PM, said:

I just guess that Mr.Clough has been way too busy to call you and explain exactly what he does with individual players at Moor Farm.

Boooooo...........Clough out.